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Postby blueeyes_austin » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:06 pm

This election is going to be stolen by the Democrats.
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Postby eric84 » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:07 pm

They'll be even then.
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Postby salmonid » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:15 pm

I want Franken and Stevens to win.

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Postby korgy » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:28 pm

blueeyes_austin wrote:This election is going to be stolen by the Democrats.


why do you keep making comments about "the Democrats" as if they are a third party when you have clearly stated that you are a Democrat?

it's not the grammar, it's the tone.

if you hate being one so, why don't you switch parties?
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Postby blueeyes_austin » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:29 pm

korgy wrote:
blueeyes_austin wrote:This election is going to be stolen by the Democrats.


why do you keep making comments about "the Democrats" as if they are a third party when you have clearly stated that you are a Democrat?

it's not the grammar, it's the tone.

if you hate being one so, why don't you switch parties?


I hate the whole "we're going to keep counting until we get the right answer" mindset...and it is Democrats who do it far more than the Republicans.
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Postby Felix » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:30 pm

I'm not Democrat, but if I were, I'd still complain if I thought the party was cheating.

Do you have a bumper sticker that says "My Party Right or Wrong," korgy?
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Postby section8 » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:35 pm

Are the D's in Minnesota really called the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party?
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Postby Felix » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:41 pm

section8 wrote:Are the D's in Minnesota really called the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party?


Yes. In fact, there is no Democratic Party in Minnesota - it's DFL.
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Postby korgy » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:46 pm

wow, i thought it meant he was running on three different tickets..

"Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party" sounds so much like, um, "Workers Unite!
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Postby eric84 » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:47 pm

I hate the whole "we're going to keep counting until we get the right answer" mindset...and it is Democrats who do it far more than the Republicans.


Yes, hand counting every vote is wrong while buying into Coleman's narrative of vote fraud shows your independence.
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Postby section8 » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:47 pm

Yes. In fact, there is no Democratic Party in Minnesota - it's DFL.


They should update it. The Democratic-Food Service-Designer Party is my recommendation.
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Postby tph24601 » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:22 pm

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I hate the whole "we're going to keep counting until we get the right answer" mindset...and it is Democrats who do it far more than the Republicans.


You understand that this recount is constitutionally mandated, right? Or that our Republican gov. controls the procedure? Or that the last recount in Minnesota ousted the apparently leading Dem in favor the Republican?

yeah, but other than all that, it's still the democrats' fault

funny stuff....

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Postby Scott_Baio » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:01 am

Just keep counting till Franken wins.
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Postby judik » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:13 am

That's what we did in the WA governors race in 2004 .Third time was a charm!
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Postby Citizen Baba » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:37 am

It's sad the Democrat Party in Minnesota has apparently such a poor farm team that they needed to run Mondale in 2002 and now Franken.

A decent candidate and this would have been a walk for them.

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Postby Citizen Baba » Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:38 am

blueeyes_austin wrote: I hate the whole "we're going to keep counting until we get the right answer" mindset...and it is Democrats who do it far more than the Republicans.


Right. The Republicans are more the purge-Democrats-from-the-voter-rolls, have-fewer-voting-machines-in-Democratic-strongholds types.

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Postby tph24601 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:13 pm

Citizen Baba wrote:
blueeyes_austin wrote: I hate the whole "we're going to keep counting until we get the right answer" mindset...and it is Democrats who do it far more than the Republicans.


Right. The Republicans are more the purge-Democrats-from-the-voter-rolls, have-fewer-voting-machines-in-Democratic-strongholds types.

apparently BEA and Scotty would much prefer they ignore the state constitution recount requirements and just go ahead declare the GOP as winner....

constitution? who needs those things...

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Postby korgy » Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:53 pm

blueeyes_austin wrote:
I hate the whole "we're going to keep counting until we get the right answer" mindset...and it is Democrats who do it far more than the Republicans.


you said "stolen" before. you said the Democrats were going to steal the election.

are you suggesting that we should ignore valid votes because of technical glitches? that we should ignore voters' intentions just to appear non-partisan?

and as has been pointed out before, the recounts are automatic. are you suggesting Democrats should give away a valid election process so that you won't be embarrassed?

are recounts too "hopey-changey" for you?
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Postby Marshall » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:48 pm

Interesting likely article in the WSJ about this according to it Frankin is trying in court to have ballots with either no senate vote or an unreadable one that have Presidential vote for Obama be counted as a vote for Frankin in the Senate seat race. Plus there seem to have been both a number of absentee ballots "found", lost in a car for days. Even more the "corrections" tally have gone more in Frankin favor than all the other major races combine. As the man hiding behind the ficus on laugh-in use to say "very interesting"


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122644940271419147.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_mostpop

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Postby eric84 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:56 pm

Yep, the Republicans are clearly worried the recount isn't going to go well and hurling every accusation they can find.
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Postby salmonid » Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:57 pm

Interesting likely article in the WSJ about this according to it Frankin is trying in court to have ballots with either no senate vote or an unreadable one that have Presidential vote for Obama be counted as a vote for Frankin in the Senate seat race.


The highlighted part is complete bullshit.

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Postby korgy » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:50 pm

Marshall wrote:Interesting likely article in the WSJ about this according to it Frankin is trying in court to have ballots with either no senate vote or an unreadable one that have Presidential vote for Obama be counted as a vote for Frankin in the Senate seat race. Plus there seem to have been both a number of absentee ballots "found", lost in a car for days. Even more the "corrections" tally have gone more in Frankin favor than all the other major races combine. As the man hiding behind the ficus on laugh-in use to say "very interesting"


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122644940271419147.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_mostpop


that's not a "WSJ" "article" per se -- it's a piece in the Opinion Journal section. it's an editorial.
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Postby section8 » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:41 am

They've just started to report in the 70,000 remaining ballots and Stevens' lead has already been cut down to 900.

http://www.adn.com/elections/story/586989.html
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Postby judik » Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:04 am

S8- do you know if those uncounted votes come from areas that would favor Begich?
he made up quite a large amount of ground with this recent count
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Postby section8 » Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:04 am

begich is ahead by 3 votes now.
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Postby judik » Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:07 am

I guess that answered my question
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Postby section8 » Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:15 am

Judi, These ballots are coming from a wide range of districts, so it isn't really location-specific. I was just looking at some of the data on the State's election website and the early voters that were counted by the 4th were in Begich's favor, except in heavy R areas like Wasilla where the early ballots were about 50/50.

If these trends hold out, this could be the end for Uncle Ted.
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Postby tph24601 » Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:21 am

section8 wrote:begich is ahead by 3 votes now.

after counting 20k of the 70k absentee ballots....

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Postby i_have_shiny_shoes » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:30 am

Begich now leading by 814 votes, with approximately 35,000 votes left to be counted.
we're discussing it, so it's not secret.

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Postby tph24601 » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:44 am

i_have_shiny_shoes wrote:Begich now leading by 814 votes, with approximately 35,000 votes left to be counted.

oh well, looks like Sarah Palin may not get her chance for that Senate job this time....

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Postby Mindulge » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:14 pm

eric84 wrote:I predict Coleman will go all Florida 2000 over this process.....he knows he likely loses if they hand count all the ballots so he has to stop it some way.


Is it time for Scalia to step in?

Here comes James Baker.

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Postby korgy » Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:40 pm

just a note to say that the MN count has not changed for the past several days -- still at a 206 vote difference.

i guess it won't change now till they do the recount.
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Postby korgy » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:02 pm

oop!

Coleman lead now down to 215!

(not sure what they're doing - maybe altering precinct-by-precinct as they do the recount? things looking good for Franken!)

Republican NORM COLEMAN 1211590
Democratic-Farmer-Labor AL FRANKEN 1211375

http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/ ... P=A&Races=
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Postby Mindulge » Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:00 pm

korgy wrote:oop!

Coleman lead now down to 215!


Coleman already claimed victory.

Why do we need a recount? Don't you trust Sen. Coleman?

Stop causing trouble. :wink:

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Postby i_have_shiny_shoes » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:49 am

The gap is now down to 174 (excluding challenged ballots).
we're discussing it, so it's not secret.

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Postby korgy » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:33 pm

IHSS, just curious where you are getting that info...

the Minn. Secretary of State US Senator vote count i linked above.

http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/ ... P=A&Races=

do you have another link to something more current?
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Postby eric84 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:53 pm

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Postby korgy » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:15 pm

thanks eric
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Postby eric84 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:58 pm

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2008/11/19_challenged_ballots/

Interesting link which has a number of the challenged ballots. You get to determine voting intent.
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Postby Scott_Baio » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:05 pm

Wow. That's scary.

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Postby judik » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:16 pm

Here is another link with updates on the counting
http://ww2.startribune.com/news/metro/elections/returns/2008/recount/msenco.html

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Postby korgy » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:11 pm

thanks judi. looks like it's down to a 164 difference now -- challenged ballot issues aside.
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Postby korgy » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:12 pm

Scott_Baio wrote:If you can't fill in the bubble next to the guy you are going to vote for then you shouldn't be able to vote.


really? people who can't hold their hand steady don't have a right to the dignity of citizenship?

we clearly don't share the same values, Scottie.
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Postby i_have_shiny_shoes » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:57 am

Down to 136. I have a sneaking suspicion Franken is going to win by roughly 26 votes.
we're discussing it, so it's not secret.

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Postby tph24601 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:50 pm

i_have_shiny_shoes wrote:Down to 136. I have a sneaking suspicion Franken is going to win by roughly 26 votes.

won't know who wins until all the inevitable lawsuits to be filed by both sides are resolved.......

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Postby SeamusMcCool » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:58 pm

korgy wrote:
Scott_Baio wrote:If you can't fill in the bubble next to the guy you are going to vote for then you shouldn't be able to vote.


really? people who can't hold their hand steady don't have a right to the dignity of citizenship?

we clearly don't share the same values, Scottie.


I think it's fair to assume Scotti isn't talking about disabled persons. Do not underestimate how stupid people can be. Just when I think I couldn't possibly see a worst display of stupidity...
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Postby korgy » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:48 pm

SeamusMcCool wrote:
I think it's fair to assume Scotti isn't talking about disabled persons. Do not underestimate how stupid people can be. Just when I think I couldn't possibly see a worst display of stupidity...


stupid people shouldn't be allowed to vote?

tph wrote:won't know who wins until all the inevitable lawsuits to be filed by both sides are resolved.......


i wonder what will happen when the Senate has to get to work...will both candidates be showing up for Senate sessions, with neither being allowed to make a vote?
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