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Postby ceylon_tea » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:57 pm

After much deliberation we've decided not to travel with a tour group. We are planning to do the following itinerary. Any thoughts/comments please?

Day 1 – Arrive in Casablanca
Day 2 – Train to Rabat – Spend the morning in Rabat. Taxi to Moulay Idriss. Stay the night in Moulay Idriss
Day 3 – Volubilis in the morning. Take the train to Fes in the afternoon.

Day 4 – Spend the day in Fes. Take taxi/bus to Chefchaouen in the evening
Day 5 - Chefchaouen
Day 6 – Take the bus/taxi from Chefchaouen to Tangier. Spend the day in Tangier. Take over night train to Marrakech
Day 7 – Marrakech
Day 8 – Marrakech
Day 9 – Bus to Essouria.

Day 10 – Essouria. Taxi to Casablanca in the evening.
Day 11 – Fly out of Casablanca

Few questions:
1. What's the best way to get from Fes to Chefchaouen? We're planning travel in the evening. Looks like it takes about 4 hours.
2. Has anyone taken the overnight sleeper train from Tangier to Marrakech?
3. Is 1.5 days in Fes too short?
4. 4. Any suggestions/improvements to the itinerary?

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Re: Morocco

Postby polardude1 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:30 pm

Day 2 – Train to Rabat – Spend the morning in Rabat. Taxi to Moulay Idriss. Stay the night in Moulay Idriss
Day 3 – Volubilis in the morning. Take the train to Fes in the afternoon.


Take the train to Miknes and then a shared taxi to Moulay Idress and Volubilis. Moulay Idress is a neat town and I think Miknes would be better than Rabat. It's a shame you're missing Fes
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Re: Morocco

Postby truenic » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:52 pm

I really enjoyed Meknes as well. Can't comment on the train bit as we didn't take them.

I think if you're on your own, 1.5 days in Fes is enough, depending of course on what you want to see.

I was steered clear of Rabat, so unless there's something specific you want to see there, you may be able to drop that in favour of Meknes as polar says.

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Re: Morocco

Postby polardude1 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:29 pm

Didn't see that you're going to Fes
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Re: Morocco

Postby ceylon_tea » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:34 pm

truenic wrote:I really enjoyed Meknes as well. Can't comment on the train bit as we didn't take them.

I think if you're on your own, 1.5 days in Fes is enough, depending of course on what you want to see.

I was steered clear of Rabat, so unless there's something specific you want to see there, you may be able to drop that in favour of Meknes as polar says.


I looked into Meknes a while ago but can't remember seeing anything interesting there. I will look into it again. Yeah, I can drop Rabat, was not too sure about it anyway.

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Re: Morocco

Postby polardude1 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:39 pm

I looked into Meknes a while ago but can't remember seeing anything interesting there. I will look into it again. Yeah, I can drop Rabat, was not too sure about it anyway.

As one of the imperial cites ,it has a very nice medina and is within easy reach of Moulay Idress and Volubilis.
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Re: Morocco

Postby Iolar » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:37 pm

If you can leave Casablanca on the first day, do. It's an awful place.

Your proposed trip seems extremely rushed. I would drop Chefchaouen and Tangier from the itinerary. Tangier is a dump and Chefchaouen doesn't really have much going for it apart from being blue and an abundance of hash.

I could spend a week in Fès and not get tired of it.
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Re: Morocco

Postby VinnyD » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:46 pm

Yes. Casablanca is like a dingy French provincial city on a Sunday afternoon, without the charm, excitement, and glamour. I am pretty sure the same is true of Tangier although I hardly saw any of it.

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Re: Morocco

Postby polardude1 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:39 am

Day 6 – Take the bus/taxi from Chefchaouen to Tangier. Spend the day in Tangier. Take over night train to Marrakech


i kind of regret not going to Chefchaouen, but I have heard nothing positive about Tangir.
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Re: Morocco

Postby DCComic » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:15 am

Another vote to skip Casablanca.
Hire a car in Ouazarzate and drive south to Mhamid. See some desert and oasis. Eat too many dates.
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Re: Morocco

Postby rezuar » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:54 pm

I'd try and squeeze in gorges and an overnight stay in desert, ceylon.
Skip Rabat, Casablanca and Tangier.
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Re: Morocco

Postby veronica_inheels » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:54 am

I remember asilah as pretty, stay there instead of tangier
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Re: Morocco

Postby ceylon_tea » Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:33 pm

Thanks. I'll look into asilah. Seems nice and close enough to Tangier. I probably should skip Tangier but I'm a big Burroughs' fan. I know things have changed since he's been there but i want to check it out. Also, catching the overnight train from Tangier to Marrakesh.

I'm flying in an out of Casa not spending any significant amount of time there.

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Re: Morocco

Postby Electrolyte » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:23 pm

Rent a car and drive over the Atlas Mountains to Zagora and beyond.

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Re: Morocco

Postby ceylon_tea » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:40 pm

Hypothetical question- Is it easy score hash in Morocco?

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Re: Morocco

Postby polardude1 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:15 pm

lectrolyte » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:23 pm

Rent a car and drive over the Atlas Mountains to Zagora and beyond.


Nice road.

The route for Erfoud to Fez is also iconic as well
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Re: Morocco

Postby steveogolf » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:49 pm

ceylon_tea wrote:Hypothetical question- Is it easy score hash in Morocco?


That comment reminds me of my trip to Morocco a long time ago (once in that country was enough). Almost all of the follow travelers I met on that trip were into smoking dope, and that was their primary focus. What a pity?
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Re: Morocco

Postby rezuar » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:01 am

ceylon_tea wrote:Hypothetical question- Is it easy score hash in Morocco?

It's more difficult than to avoid it. Especially in Chefchaouen. ;)
Be careful though; some of the dealers cooperate with Police, and it might turn that it will be the most expensive joint of your life.
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Re: Morocco

Postby steveogolf » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:04 pm

"Dope is for Dopes" (and "Dope is for 'Morons' in Morocco").
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Re: Morocco

Postby ceylon_tea » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:47 pm

Thanks Rez. OK. I've decided to rent a car. Is it difficult to find overnight parking in the cities? Any tips on parking in Moulay Idris Fes, Chefchauen & Tangier?

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Re: Morocco

Postby truenic » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:58 pm

We purposely booked accoms that included parking/access to parking, so it wasn't a big deal for us. We weren't driving in any of the above places though.

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Re: Morocco

Postby snowgirl » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:00 pm

I spent more time in the south for my trip to Morocco--desert, the gorges. I didn't see Rabat, Casa, Tangier or Chefchaouen so I'm not much help. I really liked Essouaira. Do you really only have half a day there or am I misreading your itinerary? I liked Fez a lot too, except for the touts.
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Re: Morocco

Postby steveogolf » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:18 pm

The touts in Morocco are unlike anywhere else in the world. Aggressive beyond belief. They don't stop and will go on and on and on even if you don't respond, and if you respond to them then God Help You. Many speak a dozen different languages so once you communicate with them they won't stop for a long time.
On several occasions I had to utilize my own fantasy language -- I talked gibberish and kept repeating the word "Bulgar" because I knew that none of them would be able to speak an odd language like Bulgarian (and the touts tried every language they knew without success. LOL
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Re: Morocco

Postby polardude1 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:24 pm

The touts in Morocco are unlike anywhere else in the world.


yes, and they are waiting for you as you enter the medina
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Re: Morocco

Postby truenic » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:15 pm

See, I didn't find the touts that bad. I dunno, maybe I'm immune to them now, but they certainly weren't worse than Turkey and I've never been to SE Asia.

I speak some Japanese (top tip ceylon! I think you do too!) and would just respond in Japanese if someone didn't take no for an answer after a few times.
I also had some really lovely and wonderful interactions with people because I was willing to spend the time talking with them. It was advice from a friend who has been there 7 times. She told me that yes, it can get annoying, but stop every once and awhile for a chat. I'm glad we did.

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Re: Morocco

Postby Bastet » Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:30 pm

truenic wrote:See, I didn't find the touts that bad. I dunno, maybe I'm immune to them now, but they certainly weren't worse than Turkey.


I agree with this. I wonder if my expectation ‘helped’. I had heard so much about the horror of aggressive touts - what I was expecting was worse than the reality. Either that or I have a good fuck off face. :-)

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Re: Morocco

Postby rezuar » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:45 pm

I must agree with steveogolf about the touts. They totally ruined my experience of Fez. I had never experienced anything like that before, not even in Egypt or India.

Essaouira is absolutely amazing and more or less tout free.
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Re: Morocco

Postby truenic » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:11 pm

Bastet wrote:
truenic wrote:See, I didn't find the touts that bad. I dunno, maybe I'm immune to them now, but they certainly weren't worse than Turkey.


I agree with this. I wonder if my expectation ‘helped’. I had heard so much about the horror of aggressive touts - what I was expecting was worse than the reality. Either that or I have a good fuck off face. :-)


It's interesting, I had a friend go there just before I did, and he also told me he was so upset and fed up with them, he thought about going home early. And this is someone who has probably been to more countries than anyone I know.

For me/us, the worst of it was in Taroudant, which not many people would probably spend time in. Marrakech, Fes, Casablanca and Essaouira were all par for the course for me. I had only once incident where someone grabbed my arm and I had to get nasty with them. And it was in Essaouira. And my great interactions while spending time talking with locals? The best were in Marrakech and Essaouira. So who knows.

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Re: Morocco

Postby dBrother » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:20 pm

Tangir is a really interesting arrival ferry port and introduction to the 3rd world, if arriving by ferry from Europe, but it could easy be given a miss seeing you don't have to go through there anyhow..
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Marakesh and fez were way more interesting.
Casablanca looked really shitty from the passing train. No one had any good to say about it..

Have you looked at flying in or out of marrakesh?
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Re: Morocco

Postby ceylon_tea » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:14 pm

veronica_inheels wrote:I remember asilah as pretty, stay there instead of tangier


We'll be driving from Tangier to Asilah for the day in our rental car. I read somewhere that it's not possible to drive to the beach (apparently car can get badly scratched). You have to park the car in town and get a donkey cart to the beach? Is that true?

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Re: Morocco

Postby steveogolf » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:23 pm

Spend as little time (or no time at all) in both Casablanca and Tangier, and don't spend the night there unless you have to spend the night because transportation doesn't get you out of there to your next destination until the next morning.
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Re: Morocco

Postby mad hatter » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:00 am

ceylon_tea wrote:Hypothetical question- Is it easy score hash in Morocco?
its very hard to avoid it
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Re: Morocco

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I got offered a kilo..

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