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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:43 am

Kilombo wrote:that plane went into a timetrap. They landed in the 18th century


Naah, can't be. If it landed in Australia, even they would have stumbled across it by now.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Bill Barilko » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:48 am

Kilombo wrote:that plane went into a timetrap. They landed in the 18th century

Ah Yes I remember it well !
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:52 am

k2w3 wrote:So... No closer to finding this thing, and the limp Ockers have reduced their searching.

Ahhh thats why its still missing, the Kiwis havent.begun searching for it.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby muthafunky » Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:13 am

Kilombo wrote:that plane went into a timetrap. They landed in the 18th century


Nothing new, it's already been theorized it landed in Australia.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:25 am

Oh oh. There are now claims that inmarsat has NOT shared their raw data, and quite possibly the technique used to determine the location. I was under the impression it had been shared, and verified by other parties. Why else would they shift the search area?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:54 pm

Id say Inmarsat would be beating their chests had the aircraft been found. Alas, denial is the best course right now.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Thu May 01, 2014 2:33 pm

Well, the ICAO got a preliminary report! They do require a FACTUAL report, which makes this one brief. And it STILL has contradictions with previously reported "facts".

Any body seen the cargo manifest? (I can't read the bits I want to.) Some serious weasel-words in there!

The cargo manifest includes a receipt for a package containing lithium ion batteries, noting that the package "must be handled with care." Some questions had been raised in March about the batteries, but Malaysia Airlines said then that they were in compliance with the International Civil Aviation Organization and the International Air Transport Association requirements and classified as "non-dangerous goods."
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Thu May 01, 2014 4:09 pm

At long bloody last!

alaysia also released MH370's cargo manifest, confirming that the plane was carrying over 4.5 tonnes of mangosteen fruits and almost 2.5 tonnes of lithium ion batteries.

A stamp on the bill for the batteries states that they were packed according to International Air Transport Association (IATA) regulations.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby northern_goddess » Thu May 01, 2014 4:18 pm

Mmmmmmm, mangosteen!
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Fri May 02, 2014 6:19 am

And another thing: the deduced tracks being shown now aren't the same as the original sat ping tracks. Force-fitting data?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Fri May 02, 2014 6:39 am

Unless there's constantly updated real time tracking of aircraft via some sort of global positioning system, you won't know the supposed track of the aircraft if it should veer off course and be out of radar coverage. Despite what some people think, we just don't have the capability to continually track an aircraft when their own tracking devices have been disabled. The findings of the Air France investigation recommended tracking devices be fitted to aircraft. A pity they haven't been implemented. What happened to over the horizon radar on the Western Australian coastline? At a pinch, I'd say they shifted the search zone after reviewing their data, but are reluctant to say so due to US/Australian security issues. Inmarsat are probably not confirming their use of technology due to competitive advantage.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby FUUZ » Fri May 02, 2014 5:19 pm

was reading yesterday on one of those oh-so-reliable Russian sites that the Uyghurs (a turkish muslim ethnic group in China) claimed responsibility for the missing plane a long time ago. Revenge for things the Chinese have done against them.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Lost Soul » Sat May 03, 2014 3:28 am

ZAffer wrote:At long bloody last!

alaysia also released MH370's cargo manifest, confirming that the plane was carrying over 4.5 tonnes of mangosteen fruits and almost 2.5 tonnes of lithium ion batteries.

A stamp on the bill for the batteries states that they were packed according to International Air Transport Association (IATA) regulations.


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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Sat May 03, 2014 3:58 am

Yup. 2.5 tons??

"Malaysia Airlines said then that they were in compliance with the International Civil Aviation Organization and the International Air Transport Association requirements and classified as "non-dangerous goods."

That's a flat out lie.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Sat May 03, 2014 4:32 am

Ok I don't agree with your theory about a fire Zaffer, but Lithium Ion batteries classified as non dangerous cargo in an almost 2.5 tonne quantity? Unless they got the passengers to carry them onboard as carry on, and split the rest up into smaller bundles, then yeah, seems they've dodged an IATA and ICAO regulation.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby chimes » Sat May 03, 2014 1:27 pm

andybox wrote:Pay the extra money people, pay the extra money.

I've thought for a long time already that public transport should be exempt from free market competition.

It's just too irresponsible, and playing with people's lives.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Mon May 05, 2014 6:16 am

Oh oh.

An international panel of experts will re-examine all data gathered in the nearly two-month hunt for the missing Malaysia jet to ensure search crews who have been scouring a desolate patch of ocean for the plane have been looking in the right place, officials said Monday.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Mon May 05, 2014 6:38 am

The search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 will be expanded, intensifying a scouring of the ocean floor to cover a much larger area.

Australia hosted a meeting with Malaysia and China today to determine the way forward in the search for the plane.

Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss says more meetings will commence on Wednesday in Canberra with international experts to analyse all the data and information collected so far.

Flight MH370 disappeared on March 8 with 239 people aboard and is believed to have inexplicably diverted to the Indian Ocean and crashed.

A total of 4.64 million square kilometres of ocean has been searched, but no sign of wreckage from the plane has been found so far.

Last week, Prime Minister Tony Abbott announced that an intensive aerial search for surface wreckage would officially end, with ships also moving out of the remote search zone.

Mr Truss says one of the key elements will be to undertake more detailed oceanographic mapping of prospective search areas, most of which has never been mapped before.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Bill Barilko » Mon May 05, 2014 7:24 am

The search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 will be expanded, intensifying a scouring of the ocean floor to cover a much larger area.

If you read the story of the French airliner lost in the Atlantic it's a somewhat similar story in that evidence had to be examined time & time again-assumptions too-it turned out that things they had taken for granted weren't so and they had to keep looking/keep thinking.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby auntie » Mon May 05, 2014 10:06 am

No trace in 53 days.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby auntie » Mon May 05, 2014 10:09 am

Either its a freak incident, a terrorism cover up or an airline coverup. I go with b. Known terrorist incident, too inflammatory for public release and covered up.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Mon May 05, 2014 10:13 am

auntie wrote:Either its a freak incident, a terrorism cover up or an airline coverup. I go with b. Known terrorist incident, too inflammatory for public release and covered up.


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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Flora » Mon May 05, 2014 10:14 am

I'm just amazed about how the story keeps changing. There was a headline here on Saturday night about 11 Al Qaida bods being arrested in association with it. Maybe it is terrorism and they're trying not to give said terrorists any kudos.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Mon May 05, 2014 10:25 am

Straws, clutching/slow news day. If it had been 'terrorists' they would have been claiming credit ages ago.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby chimes » Mon May 05, 2014 10:27 pm

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Lots of news (online and in paper editions), incl. the terrorism link. But it's getting too late for me to look up weblinks; I wanna go to sleep.

In any case : all this is certainly becoming like a Franz Kafka novel. Totally surreal...

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Kilombo » Mon May 05, 2014 10:35 pm

ZAffer wrote:Straws, clutching/slow news day. If it had been 'terrorists' they would have been claiming credit ages ago.

I don´t agree. That was so in the past but some terror group could have a new strategy.
What I don´t understand is why they don´t put a tracking device on each plane just for the case.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Mon May 05, 2014 10:42 pm

That was a recommendation after the Air France crash Kilombo. A pity they didn't follow through and make it mandatory.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Kilombo » Mon May 05, 2014 10:55 pm

Yes I know and it is strange that they didn´t. I haven´t much knowledge about this but I know that some people even put a tracking device on their dog and for example here in the south of Chile and Argentina if you want to go for kayaking often they require a tracking device on your kayak to give you the permit for some areas. It can´t be so expensive to put it on each passenger plane
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby chimes » Tue May 13, 2014 2:16 pm

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In related news:

Missing MH370 ‘behind visa run crackdown’. Fingerprints next?
http://www.thephuketnews.com/missing-mh ... -46232.php

PHUKET: A senior Immigration officer has given a clue as to the reasons for the current crackdown on tourists doing “out-in visa hops” from Ranong to Myanmar and back, and across all other land borders with Thailand’s neighbours: MH370.

Pol Lt Col Tauthong Thitchai of Surin Immigration, in whose territory is the busy Chong Jom crossing into Cambodia, told The Phuket News today, “Bangkok Immigration published an order to be more strict. All immigration officers have to do the same.

“The main reason is the lost Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.” Two people on that flight were carrying passports reported lost or stolen in Phuket.

“So Thailand is being watched by other countries because the passports went missing in Thailand. And Immigration [in Bangkok] felt they had to do something about this. Yes, we have to do it.”

Another officer contacted by The Phuket News warned that border crossings may now involve the taking of fingerprints.

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Taking fingerprints would be a bit over the top, I guess. But in general imo it's not bad that they're trying to do a better job re. checking people's travel documents.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby brodie_bruce » Tue May 13, 2014 2:39 pm

andybox wrote:That was a recommendation after the Air France crash Kilombo. A pity they didn't follow through and make it mandatory.


Inmarsat have offered to do it for free.......

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby FUUZ » Tue May 13, 2014 9:25 pm

BREAKING NEWS!....The Fox Network has announced that in 5 days, at approximately 07 hours GMT, it shall have breaking news, re the missing Malaysia Airlines airplane.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Wed May 14, 2014 8:49 am

ZAffer wrote:It's been somewhat of a fuckup from the beginning, but the detected black box 'pings' were slightly off-frequency. And who else has actually checked that raw data? Being off-frequency, maybe someone got the triangulation calculations wrong. Or, worst case, it's not from the bb pinger at all!


Back to the drawing board guys!

he 'pings' thought to have emanated from MH370's black box recorders have been ruled out as having any connection to the missing plane.

Two of the four 'pings' picked up by the US Navy's Bluefin-21 submarine on 8 April were too weak to have been from a man-made device, said Australian naval Commander James Lybrand.

Lybrand said each of the transmissions were at a frequency of around 27kHz lower than the 37.5 kHz frequency that locator beacons are designed to emit and lower than the 33.3 kHz frequency picked up on 5 April.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Sun May 18, 2014 8:10 am

Dang! Why didn't I think of that?

Seventy-one days after Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared, the first book about the disaster will go on sale on Monday with a theory about what might have happened.
And as the international search continues for the aircraft Irene Burrows, the Queensland mother who lost her son and daughter-in-law on the flight, said it was too soon for a book.
Flight MH370 The Mystery, which is made available by NewSouth Books in Sydney, doesn't claim to have any answers but to some extent supports the theory that the aircraft may have been accidentally shot down during a joint Thai-US military exercise in the South China Sea. Searchers were then possibly led in the wrong direction to cover up the mistake, it suggests.
''In an age where a stolen smart phone can be pinpointed to any location on earth, the vanishing of this aircraft and 227 passengers is the greatest mystery since the Mary Celeste,'' the publicity for the book reads.
The Sun-Herald is the first media outlet in Australia to see the work, written by author and journalist Nigel Cawthorne. It records the events, emotions and theories unfolding on a backdrop of fruitless searches.
Cawthorne says in the introduction that ''almost certainly'' relatives will never be sure what happened to their loved ones.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Lost Soul » Sun May 18, 2014 8:41 am

Dang! Why didn't I think of that?

Seventy-one days after Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared, the first book about the disaster will go on sale on Monday with a theory about what might have happened.
And as the international search continues for the aircraft Irene Burrows, the Queensland mother who lost her son and daughter-in-law on the flight, said it was too soon for a book.
Flight MH370 The Mystery, which is made available by NewSouth Books in Sydney, doesn't claim to have any answers but to some extent supports the theory that the aircraft may have been accidentally shot down during a joint Thai-US military exercise in the South China Sea. Searchers were then possibly led in the wrong direction to cover up the mistake, it suggests.

Because you are as full of shit about a fire on board as this asshole of an 'author' is about the US military shooting it down.

Carry on.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Sun May 18, 2014 8:59 am

And as the international search continues for the aircraft Irene Burrows, the Queensland mother who lost her son and daughter-in-law on the flight, said it was too soon for a book.

Understatement of the year. I heard about this earlier today, fucking dickheads. A book? Conspiracy that joint Thai-US exercises were responsible? Laughable, complete and utter bullshit, conspiracy at its finest.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Sun May 18, 2014 9:21 am

"And never let the correct answer get in the way of America-bashing, idiot."

Which is? Millions await your revelation.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby cummy » Tue May 20, 2014 12:16 am

oh gawd. now we have a bollywood depiction of mh370. WTF? the bollywood director pitched his movie at the cannes film festival. well, this is certainly a movie that i will not be seeing. and, the airplane in the movie is a 747 ... dude, the real airplane was a 777, ffs.



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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Tue May 20, 2014 10:02 am

About bloody time!

uala Lumpur, Malaysia (CNN) - After months of clamoring, the MH370 raw satellite data that families have been demanding may soon be publicized.


Until now, Inmarsat -- the company whose satellites communicated with the missing plane in its last hours -- has declined to release it.

But on Tuesday, Inmarsat and Malaysian authorities said they are trying to make the raw data accessible.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Kilombo » Tue May 20, 2014 4:21 pm

Lost Soul wrote:
Dang! Why didn't I think of that?

Seventy-one days after Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared, the first book about the disaster will go on sale on Monday with a theory about what might have happened.
And as the international search continues for the aircraft Irene Burrows, the Queensland mother who lost her son and daughter-in-law on the flight, said it was too soon for a book.
Flight MH370 The Mystery, which is made available by NewSouth Books in Sydney, doesn't claim to have any answers but to some extent supports the theory that the aircraft may have been accidentally shot down during a joint Thai-US military exercise in the South China Sea. Searchers were then possibly led in the wrong direction to cover up the mistake, it suggests.

Because you are as full of shit about a fire on board as this asshole of an 'author' is about the US military shooting it down.

Carry on.

And never let the correct answer get in the way of America-bashing, idiot.

The one who wrote the book and publishes it as well as the editor who will publish it and all the bookstores selling it are following the american way of life to make money and I am sure they will make a lot of money. Accusing a Stewer about the conspiracy on american bashing is ridiculous in that context.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby polardude1 » Tue May 20, 2014 4:48 pm

Kilombo,

So the Indian director, Rupesh Paul, is he following the "American way"
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Postby polardude1 » Tue May 20, 2014 8:55 pm

Kilombo,

So the Indian director, Rupesh Paul, is he following the "American way"


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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Thu May 29, 2014 8:01 am

NOW will someone check all earth-observing satelites for pics of the plane?

What's next in the stalled hunt for Flight 370?
Washington Post - 18 minutes ago
SYDNEY - Thursday marked a bleak moment for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. For the first time since it disappeared March 8 with 239 people on board, no one is looking for it.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Thu May 29, 2014 8:37 am

They have just announced that the pings the ships picked up were most probably from other ships and not the black box at all. They're in the right area, but following a dead end with those pings. Zaffer, how many earth observing satellites would be focussed on the southern Indian Ocean, and how many would record their observations? At night aswell.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Thu May 29, 2014 9:56 am

There's LOTS of earth-observing sats, many of which have the resolution to pick up 90x90 'X'. There's probably more websites now that give details; I used to use a (german?) Site to find tumbling iridiums. Lots of sats have IR (heat) scanners. It was still flying at 8 am iirc. Broad daylight. Most do record observation, but, as with all the radars, the cameras might have been switched off. Not usually much to look at down there.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Thu May 29, 2014 10:08 am

If they exist as you say, then they have already been taken into consideration. Depending on what the satellite is used for, and who owns it, would determine if it were available for the search. There's some top secret US and Aus installations on the West Coast of Australia that use Over The Horizon Radar. I'd imagine they have reviewed the data from those aswell. It should have been picked up flying over Malaysian and Indonesian airspace, but people were simply not doing their job properly. It should have been a non identifiable aircraft picked up on Indonesian military radar, but again, someone wasn't doing their job properly and it wasn't picked up. They've eliminated the search zone now, and i'd say it will shift further north.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Thu May 29, 2014 12:44 pm

"If they exist as you say, then they have already been taken into consideration. "

Your undying faith in 'experts'. Leaves me cold. Try to consider that they hadn't a clue where to look until Inmarsat used their satelites in a way they were never intended for. (And I STILL want to know how they did it.)
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Thu May 29, 2014 10:24 pm

So you think people involved in search and rescue in remote ocean environments, for something the size of a 777, wouldn't consider using all available resources including satellite imagery and data? Zaffer, why would a company like Inmarsat use the method they did (triangulate length of time pings take to reach satellite against the presumed flight path of the 777) if there were satellites showing imagery and data of the search area? Inmarsat are in the business of satellites. If there were satellites beaming down on that area, Inmarsat (and the US/Aus/Chinese Governments) would know. I'll say it again, If they exist as you say, then they have already been taken into consideration.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Fri May 30, 2014 7:44 am

*twiddles thumbs*.

Finding missing flight MH370 will be 'virtually impossible' now that the search area has been vastly increased, an expert has said.

Investigators concluded their mission to scour an area where 'pings' were heard yesterday after finding no sign of the passenger jet.

Australian officials leading the search insist they still believe the Malaysia Airlines plane is in the Indian Ocean, and will now focus on an area around 60,000sq km in size.

But oceanographer Erik van Sebille from the University of New South Wales said underwater searches are incredibly difficult.

“It’s virtually impossible to find the plane if there’s not an extra lead,” Dr van Sebille told News Australia .

“If there’s no other lead… then I think we are in a pretty dire situation,” he said.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ZAffer » Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:21 am

A SAILOR has told Australian authorities she saw a burning Boeing 777 near Thailand the morning MH370 disappeared.
Katherine Tee said she was sailing across the Indian Ocean in March when she saw what she believes was the missing Malaysia Airlines plane MH370 billowing black smoke across the night sky.
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The British woman was sailing from Kochi, India, to Phuket, Thailand, with her husband, Marc Horn, when she saw what appeared to be a large aircraft on fire.
“I thought I saw a burning plane cross behind our stern from port to starboard, which would have been approximately north to south,” Ms Tee wrote on sailing website, Cruisers’ Forum.
“Since that’s not something you see every day, I questioned my mind. I was looking at what appeared to be an elongate plane glowing bright orange, with a trail of black smoke behind it. It did occur to me that it might be a meteorite. But I thought it was more likely that I was going insane.”

The plane that just disappeared ... students from an international school in Zhuji, China, pray for the passengers on-board Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. Source: Getty Images
On Tuesday she told Thailand’s Phuket Gazette newspaper that she was on night-watch on the couple’s 40 foot sloop on the night of March 7-8.
“I saw something that looked like a plane on fire. That’s what I thought it was. Then I thought I must be mad. It caught my attention because I had never seen a plane with orange lights before so I wondered what they were,” she said.
“I could see the outline of the plane, it looked longer than planes usually do. There was what appeared to be black smoke behind it.
“There were two other planes well above it — moving the other way — at the time. They had normal navigation lights. I remember thinking that if it was a plane on fire that I was seeing, the other aircraft would report it.”
The couple arrived in Phuket two days later, on March 10, but Ms Tee didn’t report her sighting to the Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC) until Sunday.

No closure ... a relative of a passenger on-board Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 cries at Lidu Hotel in Beijing, China. Source: Getty Images
The 41-year-old, who spent 13 months at sea, said she did not report the incident at the time because she was having marital issues and thought she might be going mad.
“So when we hit land everyone was talking about the missing plane and asking if we’d seen anything. Since I doubted what I saw and was emotionally in a bad way, I brushed over what I thought I’d seen … Besides, I thought they’d find it,” she said.
But media reports at the weekend about the embattled search for the missing plane prompted the couple to recheck their sailing logs.
“But tonight I heard that they were looking in the wrong place, so HWMO (her husband) and I looked back through our GPS logs and lo and behold, what we saw was consistent with the confirmed contact which the authorities had from MH370,” she said.
Mr Horn, 50, then posted maps of their yacht’s route on sailing website, Cruisers’ Forum, where they discovered that their yacht was in the vicinity of one of MH370’s projected flight paths on the night it disappeared.
Ms Tee now believes they were near one of the projected flight paths for the aircraft.
She said a map revealed that the aircraft would have passed the yacht astern.
“This is what convinced me to file a report with the full track data for our voyage to the relevant authorities,” she said.
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