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Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:25 am

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-08/malaysia-airlines-lost-contact-with-plane/5307888
"A Malaysia Airlines flight carrying 239 people bound for Beijing has lost contact with air traffic control after leaving the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur."

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby polardude1 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:32 am

Just saw this. I really does not look good. It was last on Vietnam"s radar
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:59 am

Yeah updates are saying it never entered Chinese airspace, and had no contact with Chinese ATC.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby 5waldos » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:38 am

Also that by now it had certainly run out of fuel. Not good news at all.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Lincoln » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:47 am

That is awful.Poor buggers.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby lolasf » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:54 am

Oh shit, can't be good. How terrifying.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Lost Soul » Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:14 am

It's either in the highlands of Vietnam or the South China Sea, otherwise someone would have seen it by now.

The fact that neither pilot radioed an emergency means something sudden happened, like hitting geese through the cockpit windows at altitude and speed, killing both pilots; hitting a rock from outer space with the cockpit; Vietnam or China shooting it down; or a bomb.

I guess watch to see if either country harasses the Boeing/NTSB investigators to rule out those air forces.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby simon_in_exile » Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:08 am

2 hours out of KL is over the South China Sea, with the route they generally take. I have friends who take this flight a lot - I've taken it myself. A good mate of mine passed the queue for their departure gate last night as his flight to LA via Tokyo was leaving at the same time from the adjacent gate. Sobering stuff - fuck.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Godjira » Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:13 am

Maybe it is terrorism.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby avalon_ » Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:56 am

It's weird that there is no information about what's happened.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby cummy » Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:57 am

oh crap. this is not good news.

just saw this about the pilots:

"Malaysia Airlines said the captain of the airliner, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, was an experienced 53-year-old pilot who had 18,365 hours of flying since joining the airline since 1981. The first officer on the flight was identified as Fariq Hamid, 27, and had about 2,800 flight hours since 2007."

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Lost Soul » Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:59 am

cummy wrote:oh crap. this is not good news.

just saw this about the pilots:

"Malaysia Airlines said the captain of the airliner, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, was an experienced 53-year-old pilot who had 18,365 hours of flying since joining the airline since 1981. The first officer on the flight was identified as Fariq Hamid, 27, and had about 2,800 flight hours since 2007."

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Scuba Steve » Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:19 am

Gah, how scary.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Boinkity_Boink » Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:27 am

Yeah. Usually you read about a crash after the fact. Not often is a plane actually missing. But I thought there was some little tracking device on those planes that made their location known to within a few meters at all times. Heck, peoples' cell phones can be traced. What the heck is taking so long?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby polardude1 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:29 am

Yeah. Usually you read about a crash after the fact. Not often is a plane actually missing. But I thought there was some little tracking device on those planes that made their location known to within a few meters at all times. Heck, peoples' cell phones can be traced. What the heck is taking so long?


It reminds me of the Air France crash in the Atlantic, but they were way out at sea.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:56 am

This sounds like a catastrophic mid air event, which as we saw with the Air France disaster, is a very rare event indeed. Just saw this on the web;
http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-g ... 20132.html
The Emergency Locator Transmitter was picked up over the South China Sea. Either a mid air explosion or similar, or a CFIT. Plenty of fuel on board.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby egjeg » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:05 am

Viet. Navy radar may have seen it go down in the sea
Http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/07/48 ... ntact.html
A Vietnamese newspaper later reported that the Vietnamese Navy had confirmed that the plane crashed into the ocean. According to the reports, Vietnamese military radar recorded the plane crashing into the sea.

There was no confirmation of the report from Malaysia Airlines, however.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Boinkity_Boink » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:12 am

egjeg wrote:Viet. Navy radar may have seen it go down in the sea
Http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/07/48 ... ntact.html
A Vietnamese newspaper later reported that the Vietnamese Navy had confirmed that the plane crashed into the ocean. According to the reports, Vietnamese military radar recorded the plane crashing into the sea.

There was no confirmation of the report from Malaysia Airlines, however.

So why didn't the Vietnamese Navy report this to anyone? Did they have to finish their lunch first? And why is the Kansas City Star the only newspaper reporting this?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby cummy » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:14 am

well, while we wait for updates (and hopefully good updates), let's get a nice look of their 777-200.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby egjeg » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:22 am

Boinkity_Boink wrote:
egjeg wrote:Viet. Navy radar may have seen it go down in the sea
Http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/07/48 ... ntact.html
A Vietnamese newspaper later reported that the Vietnamese Navy had confirmed that the plane crashed into the ocean. According to the reports, Vietnamese military radar recorded the plane crashing into the sea.

There was no confirmation of the report from Malaysia Airlines, however.

So why didn't the Vietnamese Navy report this to anyone? Did they have to finish their lunch first? And why is the Kansas City Star the only newspaper reporting this?

Others are reporting it, all based on this report
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby temporaryhandle2 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:23 am

Gees. that was the flight JHW and i took to Beijing.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby egjeg » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:31 am

Same aircraft was involved in this incident in 2012
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=147571
A taxiing Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 passenger plane (9M-MRO), flight MH389, contaced the tail of a China Eastern Airlines A340 plane, B-6050, waiting on the taxiway at Pudong International Airport.No one was injured.

The tip of the wing of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was broken off and hung on the tail of the China Eastern Airbus 340-600, according to pictures posted by passengers on the Internet.


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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Godjira » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:36 am

Wasn't there another cash attributed to damage from a previous minor accident?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby egjeg » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:38 am

More photos of the missing plane's condition in 2012
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:43 am

In fairness the pilots don't have a lot of visual from the cockpits, and rely upon ATC for movements on the ground. Unless of course they disobey the ATC...
ABC News Australia just reported it has indeed crashed into the South China Sea, with radar showing a sudden and very steep decent. Speculating, it could have been a mid air explosion, a catastrophic failure such as a hull break-up, or suicide of similar.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:47 am

Loss of tailplane horizontal stabilizer would result in a steep and rapid decent, as was the case with Alaska Airlines MD83. But that was a design flaw as there was no fail safe in the event of the screw jack assembly becoming inoperable. Not sure about the 777-200, but I'd imagine an electrical back up system of sorts.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Boinkity_Boink » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:48 am

>ABC News Australia just reported it has indeed crashed into the South China Sea, with radar showing a sudden and very steep decent.
CNN not reporting that yet.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:50 am

Was maybe ten minutes ago.

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Postby andybox » Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:56 am

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/08/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140308
Yeah mixed reports, as is usually the case with major news events. Reuters are quoting Vietnamese Naval officials.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Flobster » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:01 am

It happened a day after Anwar Ibrahim was re-jailed. Possibly sabotage.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby rezuar » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:23 am

Awful news.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Lost Soul » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:22 am

polardude1 wrote:
Yeah. Usually you read about a crash after the fact. Not often is a plane actually missing. But I thought there was some little tracking device on those planes that made their location known to within a few meters at all times. Heck, peoples' cell phones can be traced. What the heck is taking so long?


It reminds me of the Air France crash in the Atlantic, but they were way out at sea.

That was socialist engineering of the pitot tubes.

This reminds me of the Egypt Air mass murder off of Boston 15 years ago.

The co-pilot went to take a piss and the muzzy pilot sent it into a dive.

Only this time, two headpounding pilots chose to do praise to allah with mass murder.

Fuck me.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby simon_in_exile » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:42 am

Flobster wrote:It happened a day after Anwar Ibrahim was re-jailed. Possibly sabotage.

I would be stunned if that were the case.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ben_hanscombe » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:47 am

Mostly Chinese nationals on board. Can't help but suspect that life's about to get quite shit for the Uighurs (again).
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ben_hanscombe » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:50 am

I would be stunned if that were the case.

Why, Simon? Plane model known for reliability goes down with no warning at the safest point of its flight - sabotage has to be a consideration, surely?
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Postby simon_in_exile » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:52 am

Possible, but I doubt the Malaysian opposition would do it in response to a legal decision only yesterday. They don't have a history of radicalism or violence.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ben_hanscombe » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:58 am

Oh, right; you were ruling out that specific motivation for sabotage. Gotcha. (Confession: I don't know who Anwar Ibrahim is.)

I'm thinking more in context of the massacre in Kunming the other day.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Godjira » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:05 am

Lost Soul wrote:
polardude1 wrote:
Yeah. Usually you read about a crash after the fact. Not often is a plane actually missing. But I thought there was some little tracking device on those planes that made their location known to within a few meters at all times. Heck, peoples' cell phones can be traced. What the heck is taking so long?


It reminds me of the Air France crash in the Atlantic, but they were way out at sea.

That was socialist engineering of the pitot tubes.

This reminds me of the Egypt Air mass murder off of Boston 15 years ago.

The co-pilot went to take a piss and the muzzy pilot sent it into a dive.

Only this time, two headpounding pilots chose to do praise to allah with mass murder.

Fuck me.


Air France was pilot error and the poor positioning of the control stick.

As for your second point, you're a shmuck.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Flobster » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:25 am

simon_in_exile wrote:Possible, but I doubt the Malaysian opposition would do it in response to a legal decision only yesterday. They don't have a history of radicalism or violence.


I agree, on thinking about it. The opposition (well, Anwar, anyway, who is the only one I've seen) seems to be level-headed and by-the-rules.
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Postby simon_in_exile » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:32 am

If I were a Uigher separatist I wouldn't blow up a plane flying from a Muslim country either. The only people who would do this are some Abu Sayef splinter group pissed off at Malaysia for brokering the recent Philippines peace deal, but that's one heck of a stretch.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby leela » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:41 am

We've flown Malaysian so many times. It was our favourite airline for getting to Oz and on Far east trips. It's illogical how something like this hits you more when you can relate personally.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby saheli » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:42 am

whats the correct spelling in eng, uighur or uigher?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby egjeg » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:43 am

simon_in_exile wrote:If I were a Uigher separatist I wouldn't blow up a plane flying from a Muslim country either.

My thoughts too. To date, I think all East Turkestan terrorist acts have been domestic.
The clipped wing in 2012 still seems suspect to me, but not sure that a botched repair of that could cause sudden catastrophic failure.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby andybox » Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:03 am

As an aircraft structural fitter by trade, I can tell you that a botched structural repair, especially on a flight control surface, could most definitely bring an aircraft down. Aloha airlines comes to mind, however that was a botched inspection and they were VERY lucky the aircraft didn't snap in half.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby leela » Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:14 am

saheli wrote:whats the correct spelling in eng, uighur or uigher?

UIghur.

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Postby andybox » Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:24 am

http://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/air/safety/air-ban/doc/list_en.pdf
I see SMAC airlines from Indonesia are still banned from EU airspace. So is a shitload from Angola, Shavenhead take note.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby ben_hanscombe » Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:43 am

egjeg wrote:
simon_in_exile wrote:If I were a Uigher separatist I wouldn't blow up a plane flying from a Muslim country either.

My thoughts too. To date, I think all East Turkestan terrorist acts have been domestic.
The clipped wing in 2012 still seems suspect to me, but not sure that a botched repair of that could cause sudden catastrophic failure.

Oh I don't disagree. I'm speculating more on Beijing's reaction than the identity of the (hypothetical) perps.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines 777-200

Postby Shavenhead » Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:05 pm

andybox wrote:http://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/air/safety/air-ban/doc/list_en.pdf
I see SMAC airlines from Indonesia are still banned from EU airspace. So is a shitload from Angola, Shavenhead take note.


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