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Postby -americanjoe- » Wed May 16, 2012 9:28 am

Would you call these the Nature People?
Bedu I met who live off the road on the way to KSA.

I realize some ofyou all ain't really into the whole arab culture thing, but these bedouin I met looked like they were from the time of Moses
I pulled a kind of little fast one in one of the pictures.

I think the daughter Lamiah is very pretty, about 19 or 20, but the bedu girls just hate getting their pictures taken. So the next morning when we were in the tent, I saw my opportunity and pretended to be taking a picture of the little goat but actually wanted a picture of her and I got it. In one picture she's looking at the picture and was just startin to figure out what I was doing so she's got a grumpy look on her face. In the other picture where I had time to adjust camera, frame pic etc., she had pulled her veil over her face and turned her head so I couldn't photograph her face.
Lamiah reminded me in form and grace of Ruth the moabite girl from the bible.

The whole setting was quite romantic to be honest -- the desert; lamiah casting glances at me in the candlight with her face partially veiled; the aged uncle; the wind rustling the sides of the tent throughout the night; the occasional bellow of a camel in the distance...

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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby Godjira » Wed May 16, 2012 10:35 am

Are you sure she doesn't like having her picture taken or she just doesn't like you taking her picture?
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby -americanjoe- » Wed May 16, 2012 10:50 am

I can tell you have never spent time in the ME just by asking that question.

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Postby equus » Wed May 16, 2012 10:57 am

Nice pics Joe.
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby -americanjoe- » Wed May 16, 2012 11:16 am

Does this look like your AUS desert or is it different?
This area has more foilage than most so you see quite a bit of greenery in it compared to further west.
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby equus » Wed May 16, 2012 11:30 am

Very different. The desert in Australia is BIG, continental big, so you get a lot of different scenery, but generally speaking the soil/sand is reddish brown. At the moment the desert has a lot of growth because of two big La Niña years; when we went to Uluru last year even the big sandy dunes were almost unrecognisable.

I was born in a little town in the desert. We stopped in there on the way back and collected some red sand from the place where our house once stood. We brought it home and put it into a big redgum burl bowl.
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby -americanjoe- » Wed May 16, 2012 11:47 am

The area I am in Oman is suprisingly green and gets a lot of rainfall.
For the past few weeks it has rained about every 5-6 days, whcih really greens things up.

It is a lot more plush than where I was stationed in KSA 1.5 years ago,
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Postby equus » Wed May 16, 2012 11:47 am

This is my country - photo taken about 20 minutes out from my old home town.

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This is the Oodnadatta track - note the really heavy (for the desert) vegetation.
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby equus » Wed May 16, 2012 11:49 am

Oh and I thought you'd like this one.

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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby -americanjoe- » Wed May 16, 2012 11:51 am

You know where my family is from in West Texas looks very similar to that, especically in the second picture.

But the soil isn't red like that.

Now the picture with the Jeep looks a bit like Oklahoma to me for some reason.

AUS looks like nice country i gotta say.

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Postby janieblack » Wed May 16, 2012 11:52 am

Are the Bedu and the Tuareg the 'same', I've sometimes wondered... are they cousins or are they just wholly unrelated?

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Postby equus » Wed May 16, 2012 12:01 pm

The picture with the jeep is a really good example of how the landscape changed after the rains - it looks really green in that pic, but two years earlier it was barren. It's taken out by the Menindee lakes in far western New South Wales, normally deep desert, but we've had two La Niña years and it has flooded both times - the floods have only recently receded.
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby -americanjoe- » Wed May 16, 2012 12:02 pm

janie:

The ones I stayed with are of the gharib with family name Junaibi.
Turegs I met in egypt and libya but they are berbers, whcih are different I think
I just googled it and they are berbers, like ahmed in siwa in west Egypt. Over there they have a differnt language and as I recall it they really distinguish themselves fromt eh bedouin at least near Siwa.
I thought the berbers were usually static and the bedu were nomadic, but when I googled it said the tuareg were nomadic.

To be honest now you have me confused.
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Postby janieblack » Wed May 16, 2012 12:13 pm

I didn't think the Tuareg were Berbers per se... but I did always think that the Tuareg and Bedu people were somehow 'related' as the nomadic people of the region. Bdu in the east and Tuareg in the west. I think the Tuareg and the Berber must be connected too. Certainly as traders in the Sahara. The Berber in Morocco definitely had contact with the Tuareg of Mali as there was a trade route from the areas south of Ouarzazat (sp?) in Morocco to Timbuktu Mali.

The Tuareg are definitely nomadic. Here's a Tuareg camp in Mali. They pulled pegs the next day and moved...:

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Postby polardude1 » Wed May 16, 2012 12:16 pm

Joe, Have you purchased a new jeep or did u paint your current wone yellow? I seem recall you having a white jeep

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Postby equus » Wed May 16, 2012 12:24 pm

Mysterious, innit. Let us know when you figure out how this magic trick was done.
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Postby janieblack » Wed May 16, 2012 12:29 pm

Ah.... the Tuareg are a Berber people. That sort of surprises me. The Tuareg I met never referred to themselves as Berber. The Moroccan Berbers I met, on the other hand, always did.
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby -americanjoe- » Wed May 16, 2012 12:34 pm

There are several differences in the two jeeps pictured.

The yellow jeep is yellow
The white jeep is white
The yellow jeep is about a 2011 (I think)
The white jeep is a 1996 YJ
the yellow jeep is in australia
the white jeep is in oman
The yellow jeep has a monthy payment (probably)

The white jeep has no monthy payment and because of this comes with two additional options:
1. a little puddle of oil underneath it all the time
2. an owner with dirty hands
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby equus » Wed May 16, 2012 12:36 pm

2008, and no monthly payment. Love that car!
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Postby polardude1 » Wed May 16, 2012 12:37 pm

Who's photo album are you hacking into to steal those photos? Do they have you their permisison ot post them on a public forum?
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Postby equus » Wed May 16, 2012 12:40 pm

yes, he's quite the hacker is Joe. He even managed to spoof the user name when he posted it.
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Postby -americanjoe- » Wed May 16, 2012 12:42 pm

I'm a littlt annoyed at mine at the moment.
Got the new seal for the T case - 2 different ones form dubai as there is no on in this entire country that handles older jeep parts- and pulled the driveline and seal out which is about a 10 minute job at the shop with a lift who lets me work on it.
So it's up on the lift, took seal out an the seals are both wrong.
So now I have no vehicle this weekend.

Such a little thing and if I wa at home this would be an afternoon or at most a delayed repair until the morning but here its a few day delay.

irritating as hell to be honest.

They the best desert rig made though.

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Postby polardude1 » Wed May 16, 2012 12:46 pm

It is very unChristian of you to steal the property of other. Wht are you stealing photos for your fictional tale
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby equus » Wed May 16, 2012 12:50 pm

Love them in the desert, utterly unstoppable. I've towed an SUV and it's offroad camper trailer up a soft sand track and it never felt like a problem!

But, parts ARE a problem. That is making me re-think for the next one, which we'll use to do a hell of a lot of offroad miles.
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Postby -americanjoe- » Wed May 16, 2012 1:02 pm

i'm a fair mechanic -- engine swaps, Ok if I have a week or two, any component change, no problem.
Rebuild engine, transmission t-case: Admitedly way over my skill level.
But, basically, I can do most repairs I run into.

My opinion of my first time owning a Jeep:

Wonderful rig, best off-road vehicle I have ever driven, love it, vehicle with the most "personality" I have ever owned.
My brother had one when he was in high school and out and he used to say he got more girls with that Jeep than any hot rod or muscle car.
I have these little univ girls wanting rides in it and shoko dug cruising in the desert with the rig, so I know that part is true. People beep and give me thumbs up and have been asked many times if I want to sell it -- one time three times in one day.

now the bad things:
I have never sen a vehicle that was so absolutely a series of components bolted together.
Everything on it-- the engine, the trans, the T case, the starter etc etc is so obviously a seperatge part and each appears to be funtioning independently.

It's hard to explain but in most rigs its liek its all together.
In my Jeep, it's like each thing is living its own life, with its own seperate series of adventures, and stresses and noises and strenghts and weaknesses.

And it's only got 90,000 kilometers on it.
About everything is in good shape, but it jsut seems like it's jsut a group of different components bolted together.

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Postby (X) » Wed May 16, 2012 1:07 pm

that "poor" woman does not look at ease with a picture of her being taken. I sincerly hope you asked before taking the pictures as Bedouins are known for not liking having their women "exposed" to outsiders and taking pictures of their "wives and daughters" is not always appreciated.
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Postby equus » Wed May 16, 2012 2:11 pm

I wonder if ploardud ever figured it out.
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby polardude1 » Wed May 16, 2012 2:17 pm

Well Equis, all those photos seemed to be thrown together, I thought they were al his. But Joe is still hacking into someone's photo album. that part is easy to figure out.
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Postby q5q » Wed May 16, 2012 2:24 pm

joe, seriously you should put these piccie posts in travel branch, where they won't fall off.

had a french gf many years ago who some years earlier had fled her overplanned life and spent some time living with berbers in algeria. she wrote it up into a book, including pics, and including pics of female circumcision being performed. that was the first time i'd heard of it, and didn't believe until she unwrapped a copy she'd wrapped for mailing and showed me.

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Postby mishmish » Wed May 16, 2012 5:27 pm

OMG I recommend you control your urge to oogle the lady, Joe. That's not merely 'bad etiquette', promise.

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Postby (X) » Wed May 16, 2012 6:09 pm

I realize some ofyou all ain't really into the whole arab culture thing,


You ve just shown a total disrespect of their culture just for a few pictures; bravo !
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Postby foolsprogress » Wed May 16, 2012 6:59 pm

joe wrote:I think the daughter Lamiah is very pretty, about 19 or 20, but the bedu girls just hate getting their pictures taken.

Then why did you take her picture?
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Postby Citizen Baba » Wed May 16, 2012 6:59 pm

I always pictured Eddie Money as being much taller -- about average height.
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Postby cowtown » Wed May 16, 2012 7:57 pm

equus wrote:I wonder if ploardud ever figured it out.



It doesn’t appear so

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Postby Godjira » Wed May 16, 2012 10:53 pm

No one wants to be gawked at. I'm sure if her mother took her picture, she'd be fine. But some foreign guy? Using her picture in this way? Like she's a part of the exotic scenery?

Though if some young, good looking guy came along- you know, within 20 years of her age, she might be friendlier.
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Postby (X) » Thu May 17, 2012 7:18 am

In certain Bedouin tribes a picture of a woman taken without being authorised can mean that said woman won t be able to marry. So much for Joe's sensitiity towards Arab culture.
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Postby foolsprogress » Thu May 17, 2012 8:29 am

I've always wondered what goes through the mind of asshole tourists that take these kind of 'in your face' photos of locals that clearly do not want their photo taken. Even worse in a case like this where the tourist knows that this runs against local culture. And in this case Joe was invited into their home and did it in violation of their hospitality. Is it just a lack of respect, or perhaps a feeling of superiority where the tourist feels his desire for a photo trumps the feelings of the 'silly natives,' or is it a kind of sociopathic indifference to the feelings of others? I've seen this kind of shitty behavior all over the world and just don't get it.
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Postby -americanjoe- » Thu May 17, 2012 9:54 am

Well this has certainly taken a new turn.

Hamdan, who is laminah's brother and my friend, asked me over again I spent another day and evening with the junaibi. I've been spending quite a bit of time with the family for about 5 months now and we hunt periodically together in wadi maham.

After supper, hamdans father achmed and uncle faheem took me to the mens tent about 7Pm, right after dark.

We talked for a bit, then hamdan said his uncle wanted to ask about my wife, how much money i made at the university and some actually some quite intrusive questions. this went on about 1/2 hour. I said I was divorced, had only my father and brothers and sisters as kin.
Finally faheem asked something like (as hamdan translated it) "how do you find laminah". In my best arabic, which is terrible, I said "anna shcizma lamaniah jameel kabir" or to the effect i think laminah is very beautiful.

So hamdan told me that with the junabi it is the uncle who organizes engagements, so then faheem (the old duffer in the picture next to lamaniah) told hamdan that lamaniah was open to an engagement with me. I talked to hamdan and with his tribe the girl can ask her uncle to speak to the family of the boy, but since i'm older (!?) he thought it was ok to talk to me directly.

I was a little shocked, but thinking as fast as \i could I said I must discuss it with my own father to get his approval.
everyone in the tent shook their heads so I guess this was an acceptable answer so i at least bought myself some time.

She is real pretty, i got to say, and i've watched her for a while now. she is very demure, she can kill and dress a small goat in about 10 minutes and definitely stares at me a lot when I'm around her.
This is definitely taking an unforseen turn as I'm still involved with shoko, who just called me about an hour ago.

I like the junaibi, but i just do not think lamiah would be able to make the move away from her family and kin.
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Postby janieblack » Thu May 17, 2012 10:09 am

I had 13 marriage proposals in the year I lived in Nigeria and a lot when traveling in Mali with my man (he was offered incredible things for his woman... goats, camels, money, council positions).

Getting eyed up for marriage in many places is not a particularly flattering thing.
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Postby equus » Thu May 17, 2012 10:12 am

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Postby janieblack » Thu May 17, 2012 10:16 am

You can't faff about in this situation. Just say no and say it nicely. But say it with no room for misunderstanding.
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Postby (X) » Thu May 17, 2012 10:21 am

For such a traveler Joe; you don t appear to have a lot of "cop on" or maybe you don't pay attention.
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Postby -americanjoe- » Thu May 17, 2012 10:37 am

Well, I was flattered.

I know the level of hatred for me is extreme on this site, and everything I say or do is ridiculed (which doesn't bother me on bit as I do believe many times it is tinged with jealosy) but I must say I sure get a lot more female attention over here than back in the U.S.

I regularly get asked out on weekdays and weekends for dinners and drinks by mid- twenties female teachers from a variety of backgrounds, had a "thing " with a nice looking girl named Naziha from tunisa, the whole shoko episode that was very intense but is thankfully winding down and now its the enchanting Lamiah bedu girl.

Sometimes I think I just look at thinngs in a more positive light than others or maybe I'm just more romantic or something.
I mean, just imagine if bulletpark had spent a couple days with bedu and how he'd look at it differently than me.

Anyway, I am flattered by lamiah's and her uncles offer.

I find them genuine, giving and kind to me and they are ready to share their knowledge of the desert life with me and invited me into their homes and their lives.
I count them my friends after only a few months, and believe if a crisis called for it, the junaibi would put themselves in danger with me.

And even after years of psoting on this site, I count none of you as friends and know for a fact that you would do nothing for me if I was in trouble and have serious doubts as to the truthfulness and nature of most people posting on this site.

No, janie, I look a this thing completely different than you do.

I do find the proposal flattering.
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby janieblack » Thu May 17, 2012 10:44 am

Fine, be flattered by it. But are you prepared to take this girl as a wife and deal with the very serious expectations there would be of you as a husband (in terms of looking after this woman, her family and the children she bears)? Because that is what marriage entails for most traditional cultures.

If it isn't something you'd be prepared to do then don't faff about. And you are talking about a contract here, not romantic love...
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby (X) » Thu May 17, 2012 10:49 am

Think it through Joe; as JanieBlack alluded to you are not taking on a wife but the entire family and you will be expected to provide for the entire family starting possibly with a dowry.
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby -americanjoe- » Thu May 17, 2012 11:03 am

Now don't get all riled up.

Was married to a hellcat from brasil 14 years younger than me.
She made my life so miserable for so many years I still have nightmares I'm in th emiddle of that mess.

And I well know what it is to marry to a person from an indigenous culture.
Natchee was 1/2 wai wai and i ended up with a farm in para state and about $30,000US invested and 5 years work gone becasue somebody in the marriage changed their mind.

Still, I do find this situation flattering and still find the offer tempting.
Never was one tempted by drugs or alchohol.

But the flashing eyes of a pretty twenty year old girl with exotic looks and a trim figure, well, I always was a sucker for that.
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Re: Bedu "Nature People" - The Beautiful Lamiah

Postby janieblack » Thu May 17, 2012 11:12 am

I was once told by an "indigenous" lover that us white folk were naive about love/sex/marriage. I remember thinking the same about him and his culture at the time. I suspect we were both right...
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